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Any thoughts to why Foundation community is almost non-existent?

So recently I started using Foundation instead of Bootstrap, in particular because for the most part they do their Sass correctly for semantic markup. Foundation has been around for a while and the Sass support has been great for the past year or so since the last major release. I figured by now that there would be a much larger community adoption and an increase in plugins/widgets available on the web but that isn't the case. I find it almost unbelievable just how few open-source widgets and plugins are available and built on top of the Foundation modules. Aside from what Foundation offers out of the box, that's about it unless you DIY. I've found some plugins for confirmation modal and multiselect boxes and that's about all I've ever seen. Even template websites like themeforest... you'll find 1000 results for bootstrap versus 1 or 2 for Foundation.

Foundation always rates well when compared to Bootstrap but it seems that no one develops anything additionally for the community which arguably makes it a poor choice since you end up building more complex controls yourself. Does anyone have any insight as to why the community is so awful? I'm just really curious because I really don't understand why there's not more appeal.

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So recently I started using Foundation instead of Bootstrap, in particular because for the most part they do their Sass correctly for semantic markup. Foundation has been around for a while and the Sass support has been great for the past year or so since the last major release. I figured by now that there would be a much larger community adoption and an increase in plugins/widgets available on the web but that isn't the case. I find it almost unbelievable just how few open-source widgets and plugins are available and built on top of the Foundation modules. Aside from what Foundation offers out of the box, that's about it unless you DIY. I've found some plugins for confirmation modal and multiselect boxes and that's about all I've ever seen. Even template websites like themeforest... you'll find 1000 results for bootstrap versus 1 or 2 for Foundation.

Foundation always rates well when compared to Bootstrap but it seems that no one develops anything additionally for the community which arguably makes it a poor choice since you end up building more complex controls yourself. Does anyone have any insight as to why the community is so awful? I'm just really curious because I really don't understand why there's not more appeal.

Cole Beck over 4 years ago

Foundation has a large library of built-in jQuery functions which are easily customizable and can be used in a wide-range of scenarios. If Foundation doesn't have it, I just grab whatever jQuery plug-in I see fit for the job and use that or write my own function, doesn't really have to be "for Foundation" to be effective. A lot of jQuery stuff is just dropping a script reference on a page anyway and adding some class names here and there; flexslider, jQuery Cookie, etc. all easy to implement.
But to answer your question, I don't know why so many people seem to write custom bootstrap stuff vs. Foundation but it has never really mattered much to me; Foundation rocks!

Mike Weisz over 4 years ago

Yeah I'm pretty happy with it too... love using Sass for the grid system and whatnot. Typically if I find a Bootstrap plugin I want, I'll just redo their CSS with Sass and if they use a Bootstrap alert box then i'll swap it with Foundation's alert mixin and so forth. And of course the styling agnostic typical jQuery plugins, no issue there.. just add it and I'm good. I guess what I miss is finding lot of variations on the bootstrap styling of components, larger components created from smaller styling pieces, and the more complex JS controls that use the underlying Foundation ones which would be more trouble than worth to swap out implementations to use existing code meant for Bootstrap. I miss being able to search and discover different ideas like these and get some existing code to start working with and molding. I just find it funny that when searching for Foundation plugins, I don't even get a full first page of relevant results in Google.

Cole Beck over 4 years ago

I see. If you dig around the Zurb site you can find some more stuff that might interest you, like on the Building Blocks page:
http://zurb.com/building-blocks
or Pattern Tap:
http://zurb.com/patterntap

Rob Bos over 4 years ago

I think Foundation may be more useful if there was better documentation on how to use the fine examples they give. For instance, the cool widgets found at http://zurb.com/building-blocks as Cole mentions - at this link there is a weather widget which looks really cool style wise but no mention of how to get it working. The weather (temps etc) are all hard coded into this example which obviously isn't how this would work in a real life example - but no mention of the API or what ever runs this thing. Foundation is great at putting stylish looking code out there but lacking in description of how to make it work with the back-end functionality. A lot of us are novice users so some real world working examples would be nice to see.

Adrian Russell-Falla over 4 years ago

I sure appreciate your posting of this question!

what it told me, at a glance, was: if your premise checks out with a brief inspection, I'll probably need to look elsewhere for a roughly equivalent tool with a big, active community - 'cos it's key to getting quickly over those early- (and mid-, and late-!) stage hurdles that always crop up with new-to-you tools...

so, I just looked around, and yeah: there's a marked Emptyland feeling. company voice dominant; sales-forward focus; and suddenly my interest in Foundation has plummeted to well below ankle-height.

mock me as you may, but the odds are good there are many others just like me - they just didn't bother to post feedback.

Mike Weisz over 4 years ago

I think the main reason is that Bootstrap was simply first to market with such a tool so they got a huge crowd of developer support from the start. Foundation came later and I think it's a sort of catch-22 situation where users aren't as interested since there's not many tools out there by developers and developers aren't making tools because users aren't talking about Foundation. Bootstrap has so many various plugins/widgets that it becomes the choice for developers simply due to the large amount of open-source available and also being able to browse those UI components to gather ideas/inspiration. Even that being so, I'm still surprised how little there is... Foundation isn't exactly new and I thought there'd be a correlation with the increase of interest in SASS.

Gary Kirwan over 4 years ago

I think it's a big shame. I've just moved an old html site onto the responsive Foundation framework and I love how it works and is more what I'm used to with css and html hacks. I wish more people would post solutions. It does amaze me how few YouTube tutorials there are for something that has been going so many years.

Here's hoping more people share how to's

J. James over 4 years ago

Topic above this one shows user James Stone's resource on Foundation. There are also several Wordpress implementations including Foundation Press and others. Agreed, there are fewer free resources but more paid workshops. Foundation is more DIY and requires intermediate experience compared to Bootstrap. I've never been sorry that I made the switch as this framework keeps getting better and better.

Maybe we should be more active in the forum.

Bryan Zmijewski over 4 years ago

Mike, we appreciate the investment as we're always looking for ways that we can support our community. We'd love for you to contribute! On an average day we get over 30k search referrals, so there are quite a few people looking for support. We have quite a few designers and developers that have contributed and drop by our office- people like James Stone have been amazing supporters.

Here are a few resources that were not mentioned:

  1. We try to publish good contributions on our tools page: http://foundation.zurb.com/develop/tools.html

  2. There are quite a few companies using Foundation, so connecting with people at these companies is a great resource: http://foundation.zurb.com/learn/website-examples.html

  3. Connecting with people and contributing makes it easier to find custom approaches from other people implementing: https://github.com/zurb/foundation

David Beach over 4 years ago

I have found pretty much the opposite experience. GitHub alone has 7,000 plus foundation extensions. The key difference with Foundation is they don't try and deliver "final element design", rather they deliver the framework, allowing the web designer/developer to easily customize their own styles. Also Foundation is easily integrated with whatever code snippet/addon you want to add (including non foundation elements) -- something other web frameworks don't do easily.

holmescreek about 2 years ago

This question is still relevant.

Maybe because every time you post a question on the forum it gets flagged as spam and you have to e-mail Zurb!

Foundation is a great product, but, if Zurb continues to allow forum bots to flag every post as spam, where you have to e-mail zurb to clarify, the forums (the main site for peer to peer support) will continue to suffer.

Without a solid, and growing,  peer to peer support platform, foundation just keeps shooting themselves in the foot. :/

Zurb Rules about 2 years ago

Holmescreek, you said it, I tried to post multiple times on the forum, and every post gets flagged for spam. I was supposed to be white listed, but I still get flagged. I feel bad, but I'm going to bootstrap for now, and have since unsubscribed to Zurb's YouTube Channel. As much as I love Zurb, and Rafi's help, I'm packing it in.

Val Ery about 2 years ago

You will not believe it, but I also have the same problems. It should be noted that I registered on the forum is not the first day ...
However, I am more interested in trying to find answers to the questions asked. Just ... As a training and, perhaps, help with inquiring.

One more observation of mine. The forum periodically appears people who are trying to answer the questions asked. They also disappear from time to time. I propose that in this way Zurb tests new specialists. If so, then this is a bad practice. For the community.

Firstly, because Rafi alone is hard to cope with the support of the forum (he needs help). Secondly, the interest of employees in educating the community is limited by the time spent for the candidate to pass the test. Thirdly, all this shows to potential members of the community that there is simply no community. IMHO.

Sorry for my google-inglish.